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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone for your responses.  I will put into place many of the suggestions here.  I am also going to contact my local NAMI office to ask for help in developing strategies for dealing with these situations better--especially from the POV of the patron in need of help.

I am always surprised and thrilled by the help and support of fellow professionals in library science.  During these difficult times in the industry, it is a nice reminder of why staying is not a bad choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for your responses.  I will put into place many of the suggestions here.  I am also going to contact my local NAMI office to ask for help in developing strategies for dealing with these situations better&#8211;especially from the POV of the patron in need of help.</p>
<p>I am always surprised and thrilled by the help and support of fellow professionals in library science.  During these difficult times in the industry, it is a nice reminder of why staying is not a bad choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5787</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the small suburban library where I work we see our share of poor behavior decisions and patrons with problems, to be sure.  The two bits of wisdom I&#039;ve gained from these experiences are:

1) Have a good relationship with your local police. Leave the handling of any potentially dangerous patrons to them.  Do not use them as babysitters for run-of-the-mill behavior problems that can be solved through consistent enforcement of policy, including temporary bans.

Thanks for collecting this info-I&#039;m excited to see what shakes out!  It would definitely make for a good round table discussion!
2) Abstain from judgment.  A patron that may appear to be drunk may be sick (indeed, we&#039;ve had this in our library) and a patron who may appear to be on drugs could be mentally ill.  Judge situations in terms of library policy and staff/patron safety, not on your personal feelings about perceived lifestyle choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the small suburban library where I work we see our share of poor behavior decisions and patrons with problems, to be sure.  The two bits of wisdom I&#8217;ve gained from these experiences are:</p>
<p>1) Have a good relationship with your local police. Leave the handling of any potentially dangerous patrons to them.  Do not use them as babysitters for run-of-the-mill behavior problems that can be solved through consistent enforcement of policy, including temporary bans.</p>
<p>Thanks for collecting this info-I&#8217;m excited to see what shakes out!  It would definitely make for a good round table discussion!<br />
2) Abstain from judgment.  A patron that may appear to be drunk may be sick (indeed, we&#8217;ve had this in our library) and a patron who may appear to be on drugs could be mentally ill.  Judge situations in terms of library policy and staff/patron safety, not on your personal feelings about perceived lifestyle choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Roch Pisarek</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5786</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My family and I go to the Doylestown library every weekend and enjoy the facilities greatly. I read this article a few days ago and thought that it was irrelevant to our experience, for there have been no problems like in this article in all the years going. Then on our Saturday visit this week in came a young, maybe twenty something boy, speaking on his cell and quickly darting about the entire room. It was fairly obvious that he was distracting and bothering many of the usual patrons. I used some advice given here went over to him and politely let him know that there are designated areas for phone use. It worked quite well, as after the short confrontation he moved off and was not a bother anymore. Thank you for the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I go to the Doylestown library every weekend and enjoy the facilities greatly. I read this article a few days ago and thought that it was irrelevant to our experience, for there have been no problems like in this article in all the years going. Then on our Saturday visit this week in came a young, maybe twenty something boy, speaking on his cell and quickly darting about the entire room. It was fairly obvious that he was distracting and bothering many of the usual patrons. I used some advice given here went over to him and politely let him know that there are designated areas for phone use. It worked quite well, as after the short confrontation he moved off and was not a bother anymore. Thank you for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bromberg</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Bromberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cynthia, I&#039;ve scheduled trainings with the Mental Health Association in NJ (yes, it&#039;s &quot;in NJ&quot; not &quot;of NJ&quot;) through their Community Education Dept.  PPL or CJRLC (hey Amy!) could probably set up the kind of training you&#039;re looking for.  MHANJ contact info at: http://www.mhanj.org/page.php?p=13.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, I&#8217;ve scheduled trainings with the Mental Health Association in NJ (yes, it&#8217;s &#8220;in NJ&#8221; not &#8220;of NJ&#8221;) through their Community Education Dept.  PPL or CJRLC (hey Amy!) could probably set up the kind of training you&#8217;re looking for.  MHANJ contact info at: <a href="http://www.mhanj.org/page.php?p=13" rel="nofollow">http://www.mhanj.org/page.php?p=13</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I smiled at the comment about having someone &quot;very confident or large&quot;! As someone who is not a librarian,but a writer who relies heavily on libraries, I just want to say that the whole humane tenor of this post is admirable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smiled at the comment about having someone &#8220;very confident or large&#8221;! As someone who is not a librarian,but a writer who relies heavily on libraries, I just want to say that the whole humane tenor of this post is admirable.</p>
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		<title>By: wanda</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wanda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hm. i am not a mental health professional, and if i wanted to be one, i would have gone to school for that, instead of to library school. it does tend to pay better. i have no aptitude for that type of work. yet, i have great empathy for the mentally ill.  in some of its forms i know that it can be disorienting and even frightening. and i feel strongly that the mentally ill need to belong somewhere, and that the library is one of the best places in the world for anyone, where all should be welcome.

i frankly think that hiring a social worker -- or a psych nurse -- is a brilliant idea, and that it mightn&#039;t be a bad idea for libraries to just *find* money for that purpose.

it wouldn&#039;t be bad, either, if the u.s. would provide better mental health services to its people, so that the responsibility doesn&#039;t get shoved off onto librarians, teachers, bus drivers, and law enforcement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm. i am not a mental health professional, and if i wanted to be one, i would have gone to school for that, instead of to library school. it does tend to pay better. i have no aptitude for that type of work. yet, i have great empathy for the mentally ill.  in some of its forms i know that it can be disorienting and even frightening. and i feel strongly that the mentally ill need to belong somewhere, and that the library is one of the best places in the world for anyone, where all should be welcome.</p>
<p>i frankly think that hiring a social worker &#8212; or a psych nurse &#8212; is a brilliant idea, and that it mightn&#8217;t be a bad idea for libraries to just *find* money for that purpose.</p>
<p>it wouldn&#8217;t be bad, either, if the u.s. would provide better mental health services to its people, so that the responsibility doesn&#8217;t get shoved off onto librarians, teachers, bus drivers, and law enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Scott</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow Steve, thanks for posting this. I will have to look into creating a position like yours for my library :)

I think most staff aren&#039;t trained on how to handle a person, not just mentally ill, but in general. They don&#039;t know the techniques to neutralize a problem or how to handle a person so they leave peacefully. It&#039;s very tricky, but certainly a tool any library staff member needs to know how to do. I&#039;m working on getting that kind of training for the staff at my library.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Steve, thanks for posting this. I will have to look into creating a position like yours for my library <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think most staff aren&#8217;t trained on how to handle a person, not just mentally ill, but in general. They don&#8217;t know the techniques to neutralize a problem or how to handle a person so they leave peacefully. It&#8217;s very tricky, but certainly a tool any library staff member needs to know how to do. I&#8217;m working on getting that kind of training for the staff at my library.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan V</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan V]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One library where I worked invited in people from the local community mental health center to do a training. They had an outreach team specifically for doing these kinds of presentations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One library where I worked invited in people from the local community mental health center to do a training. They had an outreach team specifically for doing these kinds of presentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2010/02/24/the-training-not-given/#comment-5777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m the Customer Service Assistant (which we jokingly refer to as the &quot;bouncer,&quot;) at a public library.

A few hints, I hope they&#039;re helpful:

Enforce the rules, and enforce them equally.  If you tell the smelly homeless guy that he has to wear shoes in the library, you&#039;d better enforce the same rule for the teenagers who kick their shoes off while they read.  You get problems when people feel they&#039;re being singled out.  It&#039;s not who, it&#039;s what.  

Have someone in the building during all open hours that is willing to confront people when they&#039;re breaking the rules.  It&#039;s preferable if that person is either very confident or large.  I&#039;m 6&#039; 2&quot; tall. I wouldn&#039;t hurt a flea, but people don&#039;t know that.  Be firm when you tell people to stop breaking rules.  Not &quot;I&#039;d prefer if you weren&#039;t using your cell phone in the library.&quot;  Much better is &quot;no cell phones in the library.&quot;  It&#039;s  a rule and there is no room for negotiation.

Establish an eviction procedure.  Our procedure goes in three stages: inform, warn, evict.  Once a patron has broken rules repeatedly, evict them, notify all library staff of the eviction, and call the police if the patron returns.  Serious offenses can result in immediate eviction.  It helps if you have a good community police department that responds quickly and takes your issues seriously.  Don&#039;t be hesitant to call them.

Write incident reports about all major rule violations.  Distribute them to all staff.  Catalog them in a database.  Maintain a list, with photos if available, of all patrons who are evicted.

Save lifetime evictions for the truly dangerous.  Others get temporary evictions.  Try to get photos when you evict, though this may be hard at times.

Try to be empathetic, but don&#039;t let people walk all over you.  It IS hard to be homeless.  No one asks to be schizophrenic.  That doesn&#039;t mean that those people get to break the rules.  They follow the same rules as everyone else.  You have to be willing to throw them out in the middle of winter when they might not have anywhere else to go.  

You will almost certainly find that some homeless folks are perfectly good patrons--they might spend all day at the library, but they read quietly, are polite, and even helpful.  Try not to make too many generalizations.  

Network with local service providers.  We have an evening service organization that provides free meals and clothes to the homeless.  I&#039;ve got their phone # programmed in my cell phone.

Best,

Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the Customer Service Assistant (which we jokingly refer to as the &#8220;bouncer,&#8221;) at a public library.</p>
<p>A few hints, I hope they&#8217;re helpful:</p>
<p>Enforce the rules, and enforce them equally.  If you tell the smelly homeless guy that he has to wear shoes in the library, you&#8217;d better enforce the same rule for the teenagers who kick their shoes off while they read.  You get problems when people feel they&#8217;re being singled out.  It&#8217;s not who, it&#8217;s what.  </p>
<p>Have someone in the building during all open hours that is willing to confront people when they&#8217;re breaking the rules.  It&#8217;s preferable if that person is either very confident or large.  I&#8217;m 6&#8242; 2&#8243; tall. I wouldn&#8217;t hurt a flea, but people don&#8217;t know that.  Be firm when you tell people to stop breaking rules.  Not &#8220;I&#8217;d prefer if you weren&#8217;t using your cell phone in the library.&#8221;  Much better is &#8220;no cell phones in the library.&#8221;  It&#8217;s  a rule and there is no room for negotiation.</p>
<p>Establish an eviction procedure.  Our procedure goes in three stages: inform, warn, evict.  Once a patron has broken rules repeatedly, evict them, notify all library staff of the eviction, and call the police if the patron returns.  Serious offenses can result in immediate eviction.  It helps if you have a good community police department that responds quickly and takes your issues seriously.  Don&#8217;t be hesitant to call them.</p>
<p>Write incident reports about all major rule violations.  Distribute them to all staff.  Catalog them in a database.  Maintain a list, with photos if available, of all patrons who are evicted.</p>
<p>Save lifetime evictions for the truly dangerous.  Others get temporary evictions.  Try to get photos when you evict, though this may be hard at times.</p>
<p>Try to be empathetic, but don&#8217;t let people walk all over you.  It IS hard to be homeless.  No one asks to be schizophrenic.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that those people get to break the rules.  They follow the same rules as everyone else.  You have to be willing to throw them out in the middle of winter when they might not have anywhere else to go.  </p>
<p>You will almost certainly find that some homeless folks are perfectly good patrons&#8211;they might spend all day at the library, but they read quietly, are polite, and even helpful.  Try not to make too many generalizations.  </p>
<p>Network with local service providers.  We have an evening service organization that provides free meals and clothes to the homeless.  I&#8217;ve got their phone # programmed in my cell phone.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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