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		<title>By: librarylass</title>
		<link>http://librarygarden.net/2007/12/07/do-we-encourage-our-employees-to-leave/#comment-2266</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a director of a small public library and MY pay doesn&#039;t allow me any extra at the end of the month, espeically when you figure in student loan payment for myself, plus I have two children in college and I&#039;m a single mom.  But I wished that everyone wouldn&#039;t claim that admininstration isn&#039;t caring.  I&#039;ve been in the trenches and know the issues (yes, I know what rentals go for!) and after working long and hard with my board and city gov&#039;t, I got my staff a 6% increase last year that didn&#039;t include me. (I now make barely more than my assistant) I&#039;ve also got their benefits package increased and got the Friday after Thanksgiving off for them! :)  (yeah, yeah...I get it off too! *LOL*)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and I want to know how a librarian could telecommute?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a director of a small public library and MY pay doesn&#8217;t allow me any extra at the end of the month, espeically when you figure in student loan payment for myself, plus I have two children in college and I&#8217;m a single mom.  But I wished that everyone wouldn&#8217;t claim that admininstration isn&#8217;t caring.  I&#8217;ve been in the trenches and know the issues (yes, I know what rentals go for!) and after working long and hard with my board and city gov&#8217;t, I got my staff a 6% increase last year that didn&#8217;t include me. (I now make barely more than my assistant) I&#8217;ve also got their benefits package increased and got the Friday after Thanksgiving off for them! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (yeah, yeah&#8230;I get it off too! *LOL*)</p>
<p>and I want to know how a librarian could telecommute?</p>
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		<title>By: The Eeyore Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Eeyore Librarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excerpt from &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://eeyorelibrarian.blogspot.com/2007/12/library-garden-do-we-encourage-our.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; my blog&lt;/a&gt; about my thoughts on this post: &quot;What I really want is an opportunity. Or at least I want to feel like I&#039;m going to have opportunities at this organization. My current position does not give me any opportunity to succeed or fail, it&#039;s mostly clerical. And there is no staff promotions or development of any kind. If there is a position open, it&#039;s available to anyone in the public. Not that that&#039;s necessarily a BAD thing (you want the best people), but I&#039;ve seen them make the most heartless choices between people who are otherwise perfectly qualified and capable.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excerpt from <a HREF="http://eeyorelibrarian.blogspot.com/2007/12/library-garden-do-we-encourage-our.html" REL="nofollow"> my blog</a> about my thoughts on this post: &#8220;What I really want is an opportunity. Or at least I want to feel like I&#8217;m going to have opportunities at this organization. My current position does not give me any opportunity to succeed or fail, it&#8217;s mostly clerical. And there is no staff promotions or development of any kind. If there is a position open, it&#8217;s available to anyone in the public. Not that that&#8217;s necessarily a BAD thing (you want the best people), but I&#8217;ve seen them make the most heartless choices between people who are otherwise perfectly qualified and capable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s important to remember when it comes to professional investment, it&#039;s not just about money or providing opportunities.  It&#039;s about support for the staff that take those opportunities from all levels of the library, from the top all the way to the part-time clerk, and including your peers both in your department and in other departments.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a previous job, we were required to participate in committees, conferences, and other professional development activities.  Admin supported it financially, with release time, and with verbal support and encouragement.  This did not, however, extend all the way down through the system.  So while I did have support from admin, and many of my peers, my supervisors actively made my life a living hell for doing it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was required to engage in professional development activities, but if I did, I was punished by my supervisors.  And who would want to work in an environment like that?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You have to have support from ALL levels for such things to be successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to remember when it comes to professional investment, it&#8217;s not just about money or providing opportunities.  It&#8217;s about support for the staff that take those opportunities from all levels of the library, from the top all the way to the part-time clerk, and including your peers both in your department and in other departments.</p>
<p>At a previous job, we were required to participate in committees, conferences, and other professional development activities.  Admin supported it financially, with release time, and with verbal support and encouragement.  This did not, however, extend all the way down through the system.  So while I did have support from admin, and many of my peers, my supervisors actively made my life a living hell for doing it.  </p>
<p>I was required to engage in professional development activities, but if I did, I was punished by my supervisors.  And who would want to work in an environment like that?</p>
<p>You have to have support from ALL levels for such things to be successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Janie L. Hermann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janie L. Hermann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point Jeff on the power of a thank you for a job well done or for someone putting in extra effort. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My first year of teaching I had a principal who visited our classrooms regularly both while we were teaching and after hours just to chat. He was not being intrusive, just interested. About once every 6-8 weeks I would receive a quick handwritten note from him complimenting on something that I had done recently. Sometimes it was just two sentences to say he liked how I had done a bulletin board display and other times it would be a paragraph or two summarizing several things he noticed that he liked. I loved working in that school and for that principal. I have never worked for anyone like that again, but during a stressful first year as an 8th grade teacher it help me keep my sanity. I still have those thank you cards tucked away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Jeff on the power of a thank you for a job well done or for someone putting in extra effort. </p>
<p>My first year of teaching I had a principal who visited our classrooms regularly both while we were teaching and after hours just to chat. He was not being intrusive, just interested. About once every 6-8 weeks I would receive a quick handwritten note from him complimenting on something that I had done recently. Sometimes it was just two sentences to say he liked how I had done a bulletin board display and other times it would be a paragraph or two summarizing several things he noticed that he liked. I loved working in that school and for that principal. I have never worked for anyone like that again, but during a stressful first year as an 8th grade teacher it help me keep my sanity. I still have those thank you cards tucked away.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, there are some fantastic comments here. Good stuff from anonymous people who can feel free to tell it like it is :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Money isn&#039;t so much the motivator. If you are allowed to innovate or adjust what you are doing to really meet the needs of those you serve, morale goes up. &lt;br/&gt;It isn&#039;t so much money as &quot;Do I love my job?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, money becomes and issue if you can&#039;t afford decent housing in the area. For my area, a librarian&#039;s salary couldn&#039;t pay for decent housing. A majority live in a &lt;br/&gt;neighboring community and commute. They still make $41,000 which is what librarians make in bigger systems, and the average according to Library Journal, but that&#039;s not&lt;br/&gt;enough to live on with one income. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree that directors need to work the front lines more for morale. It isn&#039;t always easy if you are always going to meetings, but it will keep you more engaged and understand&lt;br/&gt;what is going on. Nothing worse than a director who doesn&#039;t have a clue what is going on in their own library. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would say the biggest detriment at any job is working hard and getting things done (to much success) with no recognition. I am surprised by the power of thank you and how little &lt;br/&gt;it is used. Unfortunately, this isn&#039;t just a library issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, there are some fantastic comments here. Good stuff from anonymous people who can feel free to tell it like it is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Money isn&#8217;t so much the motivator. If you are allowed to innovate or adjust what you are doing to really meet the needs of those you serve, morale goes up. <br />It isn&#8217;t so much money as &#8220;Do I love my job?&#8221;</p>
<p>However, money becomes and issue if you can&#8217;t afford decent housing in the area. For my area, a librarian&#8217;s salary couldn&#8217;t pay for decent housing. A majority live in a <br />neighboring community and commute. They still make $41,000 which is what librarians make in bigger systems, and the average according to Library Journal, but that&#8217;s not<br />enough to live on with one income. </p>
<p>I agree that directors need to work the front lines more for morale. It isn&#8217;t always easy if you are always going to meetings, but it will keep you more engaged and understand<br />what is going on. Nothing worse than a director who doesn&#8217;t have a clue what is going on in their own library. </p>
<p>I would say the biggest detriment at any job is working hard and getting things done (to much success) with no recognition. I am surprised by the power of thank you and how little <br />it is used. Unfortunately, this isn&#8217;t just a library issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting to me how many comments on this are coming in as anonymous. It shows just how sensitive this topic can be in many cases.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I work at a library that has relatively good pay (I say relatively as it is still not enough, but it is more than most). The problem with being at a library that has better pay is that you generally can not leave to go elsewhere without taking a pay cut. If you are unhappy, you just tough it out as most people can not take a pay cut (at least in my experience).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have been unhappy for quite some time, but feel trapped and feeling trapped is not good. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;People stay and people go for all sorts of reasons. What really helped me stay before at a different library before this one was that I was repsected for my contributions. I no longer feel this is the case and the better pay does not make up for feeling like my opinions do not count.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to me how many comments on this are coming in as anonymous. It shows just how sensitive this topic can be in many cases.</p>
<p>I work at a library that has relatively good pay (I say relatively as it is still not enough, but it is more than most). The problem with being at a library that has better pay is that you generally can not leave to go elsewhere without taking a pay cut. If you are unhappy, you just tough it out as most people can not take a pay cut (at least in my experience).</p>
<p>I have been unhappy for quite some time, but feel trapped and feeling trapped is not good. </p>
<p>People stay and people go for all sorts of reasons. What really helped me stay before at a different library before this one was that I was repsected for my contributions. I no longer feel this is the case and the better pay does not make up for feeling like my opinions do not count.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pay is such an interesting question. We have masters degrees; is it too much to ask that salary support a lifestyle that no, doesn&#039;t include designer duds and far out trips, but does support renting a decent place and being able to save for a home without outside help (ie partner or parents)?  How many people in management (bosses, directors, board members) know the cost of renting in their area, or care? In terms of pay, I&#039;ll add another pay concern: staff paying for things out of their pocket (food for programs or craft supplies), and libraries both encouraging and allowing it. Adding a further financial burden to those who rely solely on a library paycheck for bills, and giving an edge to those with another source of income.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hours/Nights. It&#039;s one thing to go in being told hours and workweek. It&#039;s another to have that changed, either formally or informally, so that you have staff working more nights/weekends than other staff for the same (or less) pay. Not to mention the pressure that can be put on to work &quot;over&quot; the minimum hours and not record it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Professional Investment can make a big difference. But, unless its clear how this works, it can turn into favoritism.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Advancement: I also think some people pursue advancement not because they want to but rather because it&#039;s the only way to increase pay. Worst case scenario for that: staff advancing into positions that they are not really qualified to do.  Plus, a person may start at a library that appears to have room for advancement, only to have &quot;reorganzation&quot; remove those opportunties.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the respect shown to staff also matters; and all of the above can be a reflection of how staff is valued and respected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay is such an interesting question. We have masters degrees; is it too much to ask that salary support a lifestyle that no, doesn&#8217;t include designer duds and far out trips, but does support renting a decent place and being able to save for a home without outside help (ie partner or parents)?  How many people in management (bosses, directors, board members) know the cost of renting in their area, or care? In terms of pay, I&#8217;ll add another pay concern: staff paying for things out of their pocket (food for programs or craft supplies), and libraries both encouraging and allowing it. Adding a further financial burden to those who rely solely on a library paycheck for bills, and giving an edge to those with another source of income.</p>
<p>Hours/Nights. It&#8217;s one thing to go in being told hours and workweek. It&#8217;s another to have that changed, either formally or informally, so that you have staff working more nights/weekends than other staff for the same (or less) pay. Not to mention the pressure that can be put on to work &#8220;over&#8221; the minimum hours and not record it. </p>
<p>Professional Investment can make a big difference. But, unless its clear how this works, it can turn into favoritism.</p>
<p>Advancement: I also think some people pursue advancement not because they want to but rather because it&#8217;s the only way to increase pay. Worst case scenario for that: staff advancing into positions that they are not really qualified to do.  Plus, a person may start at a library that appears to have room for advancement, only to have &#8220;reorganzation&#8221; remove those opportunties.</p>
<p>I think the respect shown to staff also matters; and all of the above can be a reflection of how staff is valued and respected.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I almost took a new job (leaving my current job after about a year) in another system (lateral move) for relatively equal pay and benefits simply because my current success went unappreciated and unsupported. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a young adult librarian, I had great success in turning a bland and empty teen area into the regular teen hangout. I spent many of my own hours (and money) working to get those kids in and to provide outstanding programs. But admin responded poorly and trouble with noise and typical teen behavior balooned. Soon, the programs I once enjoyed holding, became a nightmare. One librarian for over 50 kids on a regular basis. Ultimately, I left the position to work in a different, better-supported department. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My super said I was a victim of my own success, that I would have to &quot;cut back&quot; on programming. Why anyone should be a victim of success is beyond me. Why stop something that is so clearly working? If I had been supported or compensated for my acheivement, perhaps I would have stayed. As it is, my former position remains vacant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost took a new job (leaving my current job after about a year) in another system (lateral move) for relatively equal pay and benefits simply because my current success went unappreciated and unsupported. </p>
<p>As a young adult librarian, I had great success in turning a bland and empty teen area into the regular teen hangout. I spent many of my own hours (and money) working to get those kids in and to provide outstanding programs. But admin responded poorly and trouble with noise and typical teen behavior balooned. Soon, the programs I once enjoyed holding, became a nightmare. One librarian for over 50 kids on a regular basis. Ultimately, I left the position to work in a different, better-supported department. </p>
<p>My super said I was a victim of my own success, that I would have to &#8220;cut back&#8221; on programming. Why anyone should be a victim of success is beyond me. Why stop something that is so clearly working? If I had been supported or compensated for my acheivement, perhaps I would have stayed. As it is, my former position remains vacant.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would &quot;Millennials&quot; have any different reasons for leaving that anyone else?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d love to see more people in admin pitching in and helping staff reference and circ desks ESPECIALLY on weekends.  This would of course help with the hours issue but it would also help build employee morale and improve communication within the library.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would this help with employee retention?  It couldn&#039;t hurt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would &#8220;Millennials&#8221; have any different reasons for leaving that anyone else?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see more people in admin pitching in and helping staff reference and circ desks ESPECIALLY on weekends.  This would of course help with the hours issue but it would also help build employee morale and improve communication within the library.</p>
<p>Would this help with employee retention?  It couldn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekChic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I definitely agree with all of the issues that you have raised - but at some places there is a larger issue: the exhaustion that comes from chronic underfunding and lack of support (this is somewhat larger than the library itself obviously).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even though my pay is higher and I get double the vacation (to name just two of the difference between my old job and my current one) - what really drove me out of my last job was being asked to fill 5 positions. It is such a relief to work at a place where funding is definitely not an issue and staffing levels are more than adequate (both are public libraries).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with all of the issues that you have raised &#8211; but at some places there is a larger issue: the exhaustion that comes from chronic underfunding and lack of support (this is somewhat larger than the library itself obviously).</p>
<p>Even though my pay is higher and I get double the vacation (to name just two of the difference between my old job and my current one) &#8211; what really drove me out of my last job was being asked to fill 5 positions. It is such a relief to work at a place where funding is definitely not an issue and staffing levels are more than adequate (both are public libraries).</p>
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